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yup, memory was partially correct... no vipers but, there was one blind deathclaw right in the middle of primm pass, which could be handled early if prepared right... dead wind cavern sat to the south of the shack just passed the pass, and down the mountain to the W/NW was ranger station charlie... i'm a little upset about that because i thought for sure that would be a way to cut across... turns out obsidian created a much more linear path to reach new vegas than i had originally thought... what a shame... i did manage to reach new vegas with delilah by hugging the mountainside heading north from neil's shack... i was constantly spotted by deathclaws but they could never reach me way up on top of the mountain... somehow i managed to get by that time but other than that, the game really does force you to navigate the southern part... maybe they want you to see nipton, the outpost, camp searchlight and cottonwood cove... i think they're trying to tell you the story between the NCR and the legion on your way to vegas... ohh well... went through the deathclaw sanctuary across the river as well... jesus christ if i was a little less sneaky there would of been a whole bunch of hell over there... thank god for the silenced sniper rifle with armor piercing rounds... none of them ever took more than 2 shots, some did but i killed them before they became hostile... i dropped both mother's with two shots... yea, two mothers were here... but i lucked out and never had any of the deathclaws see me or chase me... they heard me quite a few times, but never saw me... it took about 30 minutes of inching my way through there and staying hidden on top of the rocks but i finally did it... going to go check out that cave right as soon as i post this... now i am about 500XP from reaching the level 35 plateau... any other location suggestions for me before i reach the the level cap? ... because, there's no more exploring after that point with this file until they raise the level cap again... EDIT: that was actually the most detailed cave in the game i think... full of plant life, glowing mushrooms and fish... the only problem i had with it is, how in the hell did they manage to get a car down there?! i can "sort of" understand the briefcases, poker chips and skeletons... perhaps a botched robbery and a bad place to hide the stash... but how in the hell did those car parts make it down there?!?

Too late, I'm addicted! interesting stuff. Inglewood, 1951 Two honky boi's in ingle! Possible drive by?

OMG GRAPHIC IMAGES! I liked the video though. Even though it was a hidden handycam, I now have a sense of how this game will be, which is awesome. I'm glad the cases are graphic, it adds the detective realism. Now, how many more weeks until this is released?!

Sweet! I'm probably as boring as you, but I want to read through this. lol

LOL There's probably a few people browsing these forums who were'nt even born when that was drawn up. Me being 127 years old can remember the hype surrounding the original GTA, the core idea hasn't really changed that much when you think about it.

Love these pics: Photograph caption reads, "Photo-diagram of yesterday's holdup at Grauman's Chinese Theater, in which robbers escaped with two days' receipts of $15,000. Officer Crowley is shown firing at the trio, who return the fusillade, wounding James P. Thorpe, a bystander." Photograph dated July 16, 1929. And here's Grauman's Chinese Theater in L.A. Noire: Just come across this one: Pacific Electric mail car vs. automobile 1951 And thought of this one: